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The Apaches (1978-1990)

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The Story

Editor's Note: Our ability to research this band has been hampered by the fact that their name "Apaches," is a very common search term which brings up many false results for the actual Apache Indian tribe.)

A latecomer to the scene, our archival research shows the Mullingar-based Apaches hit the road in late 1978. At the time it seemed strange to many to have a second band now dressing up as Indians. The Indians by this time were one of the biggest bands in the country. However, it was no surprise to many that the band was the brainchild of ex-Indian Derry Whitelaw who had left the band earlier that year. They featured ex-Plattermen lead singer Simon Scott (aka Ivan Vaughn-RIP) who went under the name, Big Chief. The band was being managed by Robert Irwin of the Top Rank Entertainments office.

The band were not well received by some in the press who labeled them as "just another gimmick" and worse yet, not even an original idea. However, Simon was a great frontman and Derry an accomplished musician and they were given the benefit of the doubt by many. One way or another, the band did well, Top Rank at the time had grown to be one of the biggest promoters in the country with a large stable of bands and great connections with ballrooms across the country. The band played mainly pop (Simon's forte) with some "progressive country" contributed by Derry and several other singers in the band.

In March, 1979 Henry McGlade reported in the Connaught Telegraph that the band had recorded two songs for release as a single. The two numbers were a remake of Elvis Presley's "Wooden Heart" and a song written by Ray Doherty which had been entered in the Castlebar Song Contest two years earlier called "My Name Is Joe." The record would be released in June with the Doherty penned song as the "A" side. Unfortunately it did not make any inroads in the charts.

After six months on the road, the band seemed to be doing well, and more importantly, the initial reservations (pun not intended) about their gimmick seem to have been forgotten with the focus now being on their pop-oriented dance program and the quality of the musicians in the line-up. Although they were playing all around the country, our research (based on newspaper adverts) shows at this point they played most often in Donegal, Mayo, Galway, the border counties and the midlands, however they were still seen as a "new band" after only 6 months on the road and their reputation was still on the rise. 

In May, 1980, the band added a female vocalist to the line-up. An article by Donal K. O'Boyle in September, 1980 named her as Raphaelle, although in later newspaper adverts her stage name was "The Squaw." She was also called "Little Squaw" but her real name, as reported by Tom Gilmore a few months later, was Caroline Reilly who was a niece of the Mighty Avons' Smith brothers. Also in September, the band left the Top Rank stable and switched managers to Peter Sheridan and it was hoped the addition of a female vocalist would help bolster the band's image. Apparently the name  "Squaw" did not go down very well as by the end of November she had been renamed "White Dove." Further research points to the possibility that the original Squaw was Raphaelle Ward, but she did not stay long and was replaced by Caroline. 

An interesting aside around this period (late 70's and early 80's) many female artists were having huge hits in England and Ireland with acts like Blondie, Pat Benetar, Kate Bush, Joan Jett, Girlschool, Bananarama, Elkie Brooks, Toyah and Suzi Quatro. A female vocalist was a definite plus in the waning days of the showband era.

At some point after this and for the next few years the band was being managed by Anthony Sheridan. As 1981 started, things were still rolling along for the band. In January, Simon Scott sang Brendan Graham's winning entry in the Wild Rose Song Contest, "My Best Love." The addition of White Dove seemed to give the band a big boost, although that could be based on the fact that her photo started to appear in more and more newspaper entertainment pages where they played.

In April 1981, it was reported that the newly reforming Miami had added the "ex-Apaches female vocalist" to their ranks, but this was Raphaelle Ward, not Caroline. By mid 1981, the band was still going strong and according to some journalists, had outpaced the Indians at their own game, especially since adding White Dove to the line-up. In fact their next single was "Where Do You Go" which featured Caroline instead on Simon. 

For the next few years, the band was rolling along and as previously mentioned, seemed to be often outperforming the rival Indians for popularity. There was also some confusion about the type of music they played as they were often referred to as a "country" act as that was what their name sounded like, despite the fact that they played mostly pop.

In January 1984, Caroline wrote an entry for the Cavan International Song Contest which qualified in the song about Cavan category which she sang with several other friends, it was called "Cavan Through My Eyes." Around this time the band also released the first duet featuring both Simon and Caroline called, "We Were Meant To Be Lovers."  

At some point in either late 1984 or early 1985, Simon Scott left the band and was replaced by Derek Simpson as "Big Chief." We can find no reference to his leaving the band in the papers so we are not sure when it happened. By the summer of 1986, Derek had left the band and renamed himself Spyder Simpson, embarking on a solo career under the guidance of Shay Hennessey at Crashed Records, putting his own band on the road. We are pretty sure at that time the band changed its name to simply Apache.

In June, 1986 the band had changed its name to Apache Lightning (later in November, it was reported by Con Downing in the Southern Star that the band changed its name from Apache to Apache Lighting). They re-released the old single "All We Need Is Love," but it is unclear whether it was re-recorded with the current line-up. Later that year the band recorded a new number written and produced by future Eurovision star, Charlie McGettigan called "People Are Telling Me" which was sung by the new female vocalist Philomena Smith. Finally in March, 1987, Con Downing reported they had changed it yet again from Apache Lightning to Apache Lightning Strikes.

By August of 1987 it appears the band was down to a four or five piece line-up and all signs of the "Indian" gimmick (feathers and face paint) were gone and they were a normal pop group. We have been able to trace the band, which dropped the Apache from their name shortly after this to discover in 1993, the band Lightning Strike, were still seen as the "same band" which had been once known as the Apaches, having changed their name four times: From "Big Chief and the Apaches" to "Apache" to "Apache Lightning" to "Apache Lightning Strikes" to finally "Lightning Strikes." 

It is doubtful by that point there was any connection between the original band and the 1990's pop/rock group which claimed the same heritage, but we will continue to research and try to find more answers.    

More to come.....

Photo Gallery

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Apaches - 1978 Apaches - 1978 Big Chief (Simon Scott) Apaches - 1979 Apaches - 1979
Apaches - 1980 Big Chief & Squaw (DD) Apaches - 1980 Apaches - 1980 White Dove - 1980
White Dove - 1980 Apaches - 1979 (PH) Apaches - 1980 Apaches (RF) Apaches (RF)
Apaches (PH) Apaches (RF) Simon Scott (PH) Apaches - 1985 Apache Lightning-1986
Apache Lightning-1986 Apache Lightning-1987 Apache Lightning-1987 Apache Lightning Strikes - 1987 Lightning Strikes - 1993

Lineup Changes (we are having trouble getting this info-sorry)
 

Years Vocals Guitar Bass Drums Vocals Guitar Sax Trumpet
1978 Simon
Scott
Derry
Whitelaw
Eamonn
Gray?
    Paul
Myers?
   
1980 Simon
Scott
Derry
Whitelaw
    Raphaelle
Ward
     
1980 Simon
Scott
Derry
Whitelaw
    Caroline
Reilly
     
1984 Derek
Simpson
      Caroline
Reilly
     
1986         Philomena
Smth
     
                 
                 
                 

Discography

My Name Is Joe / Wooden Heart (Simon Scott)
Top Spin Records - TSS.103 - June, 1979

Where Do You Go / (Caroline Reilly)
Unknown Records - Unknown - June, 1981
All We Need Is Love /
Rainbow Records - Unknown - April, 1982
Where Were You On Our Wedding Night (Simon Scott) / Listen to the Children (Caroline Reilly)
Rainbow Records - RBS 020 - January, 1983
We Were Meant to be Lovers (Duet)
Rainbow Records - Unknown - January, 1984
All We Need Is Love / (re-released)
Rainbow Records - Unknown - 1986
People Are Telling Me (Philomena Smyth) [written and produced by Charlie McGettigan]
Bus Records - Unknown - January, 1987

Audio Clips

         
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Where Are They Now?  

Simon Scott - RIP (aka Ivan Vaughn ): Simon had a long career after singing with the Apaches as Big Chief in the late 70's and early 1980's. From 2000, he was singing around the North as a one man band but was tragically killed in flooding during Storm Desmond on Dec 7, 2015, he was 70.
Derry Whitelaw:
Caroline Reilly:
Eamonn Gray:
Paul Myers:
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